Bike Functional Threshold Power (FTP) test result: 249 Watts

My official FTP number is 249 Watts…pretty darn good…at least higher than I was expecting 🙂

Here’s how it looks on the PowerTap download graph…the actual 42 minute test is the highlighted section after warm-up…the scale on the left that has 189 as a high number is heart rate index…corresponds to the fairly even top red line on the chart, and the 351 scale is the Power index… corresponds to the more squiggly purple line on the chart…click on the chart for a bigger view in a new window.

I had already detailed how the test is conducted in the Post before this one on Jan. 3:
https://irondaughterirondad.com/bike-functional-threshold-test-today/.

Here’s how it went

Prior to starting the test, I did go back and look at more of my statistics to get a better idea of how to pace the test. 

My peak power stuff for the shorter time periods was in June 2009…CP20 of 272 Watts (my average power generated over 20 minutes), after I had trained a winter in Palm Beach, flogging myself on very fast groups rides.  To estimate FTP from a 20 minute test, subtract 5-10% depending on the opinion that you’re following, so at that point 272W – (27 to 14) = 245-258 Watts FTP.  Looking at this past year, I did have a CP30 of 232 Watts on a ride on October 23, 2010 as part of a normal workout, where I wasn’t trying to maximize anything…so with light workouts for the past 2 months…some short and fast stuff in December, but then 2 weeks of partying to end the year, I didn’t really know what to expect.

Seemed to me, in looking at it, that if I started out in the 230-240 Watt range, and adjusted from there, I should be able to get through the end without blowing up, which was my primary concern.

Turns out I was probably overly conservative, since the ideal profile is exactly the same Power number all the way through, and then fall off the bike in total exhaustion 1 second after the test ends…based on that criteria, I didn’t really get all of it.

The test was 20 minutes HARD, then 2 minutes EASY, then 20 minutes HARD…I’ve broken it down into 5 minute sections:

  • First 20 minutes: 237W, 235W…picked it up here since it felt too light…247W…and then picked it up again…256W
  • 2 minutes easy
  • Second 20 minutes: 258W, 257W, 260W, 267W…pushing _really_ hard in the last 5 minutes to maintain 90RPM which I knew was giving me over 260 Watts…max Heart Rate 156…which is where I’ve had it in the past

Overall, for the entire 42 minutes, Norm Power, including the 2 minute rest section was 249 Watts.  The good news was that I finished strong…the only bad news was that I was too conservative at the start, and therefore could have hit an even higher number.  Knowing what I know now, I’d start in that 245-250W Range, and then ramp it up about the same, so if I remained intact, and had a more perfect ride, would have probably given me closer to a 255-260W FTP.

In an interesting twist on the numbers, Joe Friel uses the CP30 number as his determination of the FTP number…in my test today, my CP30 was 249W, but this included the EASY 2 minute portion, along with the last 20 minutes HARD and 8 minutes HARD of the first 20 minute section…the Norm Power for this CP30 section was 254W, so very conservatively, probably my minimum FTP number right now, considering that there was 8 minutes of hard pedaling before this 30 minute section.

So what does this all mean

In the first place the number should be as accurate as possible because workouts are based on it…like 95% of FTP, or 85% of FTP, or 105% of FTP etc…if the FTP number is not accurate you won’t be working hard enough…or too hard.  If you don’t have a Power meter, workouts are based on Heart Rate as a percentage of your LTHR (Lactate Threshold), or RPE (Rating of Perceived Exertion), although these are not as accurate as Power, since there are a lot more variables that impact those scales…with Power, work is work.

For workouts going forward, I’m going to use a 255W base for my FTP, which I’m sure is close enough…and probably a hair conservative…until I re-test in another 8 weeks.

It’s also used to determine your best target power for racing.  If I were doing an Ironman today, with a 250W FTP, my potential right now would be roughly 70-75% of that, or 250 x (70-75%) = 175-188W Power target for the bike portion…or about 18 -19MPH.

And I have 10 months before Ironman Florida, to improve that to my target of 285 Watts FTP … and 20MPH…and since I may be even closer to 260W right now, 285W feels within reach, based on this test…although…gads…at 267 Watts average in the last 5 minutes, my lungs were turned inside out…and I’m not getting any younger…so who knows.

I had detailed my goal of 285W FTP in an earlier Post:
https://irondaughterirondad.com/whats-it-take-to-bike-20mph-for-112-miles/

But for today…I’m happy 🙂

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Bike Functional Threshold test today

So here it is…the beginning of the New Year…and as good a time as any to set the benchmarks to track improvement over the year…never a good time to get started…so it’s a ‘just do it’ day 🙂

Since most of my training on the bike will be inside on the trainer for the next few months, I’m going to do the test on my tri-bike setup on the static trainer.

Today’s Workout: Bike
60 Minutes 
Warm Up: 10-15′ (minutes), 3 x 30″ (seconds) (30″) (rest interval) SpinUps, in aerobar then 3 x 2′ (1′) Zone 3 (effort: 3 out of 5):

Time trial to set Functional Threshold: Endurance Nation testing protocol
2 x 20′ (2′). Record each 20′ segment as interval + Upload workout to WKO+. Create one range that includes both 2 x 20 intervals and the 2′ rest interval, for a total of 42′. Normalized watts for range is your Functional Threshold.

So this means _HARD_ 20 minutes, followed by 2 minutes easy, then _HARD_ for another 20 minutes…the Power Meter on the bike calculates the ‘Normalized Power’ for the 42 minutes total.

Always easier to predict after the fact, so I’ve posted this before my test.  My only real guidance are a few recent, shorter workouts:

  • Dec. 14: 3 x 6 minutes: 235, 231, 236 Watts, and Heart Rate on the last one got to 144, so for me mid Zone 4 (139-147)
  • Dec. 18: 2 x 10 minutes: 234 Watts average for each, and Heart Rate on the 2nd one got to 147, so for me, the high end of Zone 4

Since the test is supposed to be an all-out effort, I’m thinking my target is around 230+ Watts…so I’m going to start the test around 230 Watts and see what happens over the first 20 minutes…if I’m still intact at the 10 minute mark, I’ll move it up a notch, or if fading, bring it down a bit…the idea is not to fade off by the end, but end up with a level that’s sustainable over the entire 2 x 20 minutes….best is even watts all the way through…since I don’t have much experience on this testing level, probably will be tough to really nail it the first time out.

If you don’t have a Power meter, the test is done as 40 minutes _HARD_ …as if racing…after  warm-up…your average Heart Rate for the 40 minutes is your LTHR (Lactate Threshold) and the benchmark for Heart Rate based training.

Stay tuned for my results 🙂

For more details on Functional Threshold click here:
https://irondaughterirondad.com/whats-it-take-to-bike-20mph-for-112-miles/

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Life happens

Thinking about the week coming up, it’s going to be a challenge…and going to continue throughout the month…lots of plates to keep in the air…you can click on the picture to watch Erich Brenn “Plate Spinning” on The Ed Sullivan Show while contemplating your own ‘set of spinning plates’ :) 

Back to work tomorrow after a ‘soft’ 2 weeks over the holidays, and it ramps up quickly, and stays very busy in advance of a large convention 4 weeks away….lots of projects to get finished off, and as the date gets closer, _always_ hair-on-fire last minute things that come rolling in.

Also on the hit parade this week is my wife’s surgery on her hand mid-week…she’s a poor patient, and I’m even a worse nurse…there’s a couple of weeks of ‘recovery’ and associated ‘attention’…sigh.

And then getting back into the exercise thing…light day today in advance of a Functional Threshold Power (FTP) test on the bike tomorrow…I have a planned vDOT test on the run for Wednesday, but since that’s surgery day, hard to think that it’s going to happen.

Also car problems…so will need to deal with that tomorrow.

And so it goes…Life happens…and at least for me, never a dull moment 🙂

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Happy New Year!

Well, here we are…January 1st…and the start of another New Year…and for me, time to put away the party hats

It’s now been a couple of months since Ironman Florida…and I’ve arrived 2-3 pounds lighter than I was…so a good result considering that on November 10, I wrote a Post and set a weight goal for Jan. 1:

With exercise down to a relative whisper for the next 4-8 weeks, I’ll be re-focused on tracking what I eat every day, and tightening portion control…hard to break those in-season portion habits…and see if i can trim off a few pounds in the off-season, before ramping back up in January…coming out a least even by January 1, with holidays and all, would be the first goal…5+ pounds thinner even better…5 pounds heavier wouldn’t kill me, and some argue even desirable, so we’ll see how it shakes out.

https://irondaughterirondad.com/15/

…a bit bitter sweet…fun, fun times…but feeling the call to duty of responsible eating and drinking once again, and an exercise ramp up into the new season…all good

I had wrestled myself down 5-6 pounds before the holidays kicked into high gear, and had a fun, 2 week blow out…now ended…the good news was that I had built in those few extra weight loss pounds before hitting the hard party circuit, with not much exercise to balance…and on most days an afternoon nap was much more appealing than a sweat-fest in the hotel gym.

…as fun as the day after day partying is…and all the travel, and great company, and laughing, and terrific food, and fine wines…late into the night…I do have to say that I am looking forward to feeling better in the mornings again 🙂

…and looking forward to a great 2011…Happy New Year!

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Better not wait until January

New Year’s resolutions are only a couple of days away, but I don’t think that I can wait, so go ahead and join in 🙂

Just back from 10 days of travelling and heavy eating, drinking and general holiday cheer…with only a few days of exercise in there to balance the calorie overload…and feeling the holiday ‘spread’…geez.

I don’t even want to go near the scale…I was going to wait until my official program start on Monday, January 3rd, but decided that I better jump on it now rather than wait another week.

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You can play our exercise-of-the-week full screen, by moving your cursor over the movie box, and then clicking on the rectangle in the bottom right corner, or this link to Feel the Burn in a new window.

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Vacation workout adjustments

From our friends at Endurance Natioin, some good stuff to keep in mind during vacations:

  • Vacations are a part of your real life. Don’t be a total tool and potentially ruin it for you, your spouse and family by being completely geeked out: “I must get in my workouts!”
  • When in doubt, go shorter and harder.
  • When in doubt, just run. In other words, try to keep the run frequency up, even it means banging out 20-30′ from the hotel. That said, see first bullet. Don’t be a geek about this.

Flavors of vacations:

  • Won’t have access to a bike, but can run:
    • If possible, go “bike heavy” the week before vacation
    • Make the vacation time a “run week,” usually by increasing frequency (5-6 runs vice 3-4, for example)
    • Back to normal schedule when you get home. No such thing as missed workouts/tests you gotta make up, etc. It’s done, move on.
  • Can run and have access to a stationary bike: frankly would rather you just not bother with the gym bike and follow the guidance above.
  • Can run but can’t swim or bike: see first bullet, maybe add ‘swim heavy’ to that bike heavy week above.
  • Active vacation: cool ski, hiking, or other trip where you will be very active but not in a sport-specific way: just enjoy yourself. Bonus if you can get in some runs around your other stuff but be careful to not ruin a great vacation by also trying to be a tri-geek.
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Do or do not. There is no try.

Do or do not. There is no try.

~ Yoda

Click here for the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3hn6fFTxeo

I was reminded of this as I’m contemplating the ramp up to a training schedule that will feature, all intensity, all the time in January…Short and Fast.

I’ve done ‘fast’ during the Base period before…primarily on the bike, riding with _really_ fast groups…like ‘averaging’ 25-26MPH…and saw great fitness gains as a result.

This will be the first season with an ‘only’ fast protocol…my schedule for the first 14 weeks of the year.

The interesting thing to me will be how I recover between workouts…that is the ability to go ‘fast’, day after day.  I’ve seen that after big workouts, I’m generally stiffest 2 days after the workout…so back to back to back ‘fast’ workouts will be intriguing.

The balancing act, as with any training, is to figure out if you’re pushing ‘too’ hard…and then wear down or break something…or stressing the body just enough to allowing it to recover, get stronger, and then push to the next level.

Nothing like wading in, and just making it happen.  Do or do not. There is no try.

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Daughter Lisa’s secret off season primary workout

Well…I can’t tell you how I got this, but while I’ve been heavily focused on detailed planning for next year, and diet, and things like:

improving my Functional Threshold Power (FTP) on the bike, my vDOT on the run, and improving my Stroke Rate (SR) on the swim, while maintaining, and improving form

Daughter Lisa…as is often the case…is taking a completely different approach to the early season prep.

Not entirely sure how she’s going to translate that into a crushing Ironman performance…but, very interesting nonetheless…I’m thinking that maybe she could move up the intensity a bit, but everyone has their own idea of what works for them.

…click on the Play button to see her secret routine…well, secret up until now that is

You can play it full screen, by moving your cursor over the movie box, clicking Play, and then clicking on the rectangle in the bottom right corner

You can just see Daughter’s left arm at the back in the blue top…good job Lisa!…looks like you’ve hooked up with a pretty motivated group, which is always a good thing 🙂

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2011 Season Outline

Okay…here’s how my season will generally layout….at least at this point 🙂

Beginning on Jan. 3:

  • 14 weeks of Base/OutSeason
  • 12 weeks, Race prep for Vancouver Half Iron, with 1 or 2 prep races
  • 4-6 weeks, transition and general prep
  • 12-14 weeks, Race prep for Ironman Florida

In the first 14 weeks, I’ll be working around some work commitments, before, during and after a convention in the beginning of February, and then a planned vacation in the 3rd week in March.

I already have my detailed workouts in my TrainingPeaks log, ready to go for the beginning of the year, up to the convention on Feb. 4.  Based on how that initial 4+ weeks goes, we’ll lay in the next 5 week period up to the March vacation.

In general terms for January, each week:

  • Jan. 3 Threshold test for bike, and Jan. 5 Threshold test for run to establish benchmarks
  • Bike: 3x a week, mainly ‘short and fast’…like main set 95-100% of FTP
  • Run: 4x a week: includes 2 short bricks off the bike + 2x short and fast
  • Swim: 1x lesson/drills, 1x short and fast

Largely following the Endurance Nation protocol, my workouts in January will primarily be Short and Fast.  As a result, my training weeks during the month will only total about 5-6 hours for the bike and run portion, and another 1:30’ish for the swim side…and maybe a bit of yoga in there to stretch things out…so 7-8 hours a week.

I’ll be focused on improving my Functional Threshold Power (FTP) on the bike, my vDOT on the run, and improving my Stroke Rate (SR) on the swim, while maintaining, and improving form.

Adjustments, of course, based on how things are going…more details to follow.

Wondering what Daughter Lisa is up to, I have some new information…to be posted shortly.

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Off-season: Long and slow, or Short and fast?

For the off-season Long and Slow seems to be fading out…Short and Fast seems to be fading in. 

Used to be that all you read about was that the off season was for recovery and building a base with long and slow training…and then add speed later on in the season to this base ‘engine’ that you’ve created. 

The question rests really with the ‘Base’ period, which can run as long as 20 weeks, and represents the period before Race specific training begins.  From what I’ve seen, a lot of experts seem to agree that a Race specific focus of 12-14 weeks is enough, as long as you show up with an appropriate Base of fitness.  The wide variance of opinion is what type of training to do during the Base period.

For me this will be about 14 weeks long, before a 12 week Build into the Vancouver Half Iron race on July 3, 2011.

Joe Friel, the ‘father’ of a lot of triathlon training principles that others base their stuff on, or refer to, to show how their stuff is different, addresses the challenge, and the trend: 

Coaches and athletes once believed that long, slow distance (LSD) was the key to developing the aerobic system. But now the trend is toward employing a moderate intensity at or slightly above one’s aerobic threshold coupled with an appropriate workout duration to produce optimal aerobic endurance. The trick is getting the intensity and the duration of such workouts right. 

Joe, and many others, feel that the target intensity should primarily be 55-75% of Functional Threshold Power (FTP). 

In fact, regardless of the sport, I have those I train spend a considerable amount of their training time in zone 2. Throughout the Base period, but especially in Base 1 and 2 (3-4 weeks each) I have the athletes do weekly workouts in zone 2 and I watch to see how well matched their power and heart rate (cycling) or pace and heart rate (running) are. I call this “decoupling.” I’m looking to see if they can generally do increasingly longer workouts in zone 2 with minimal decoupling. This is described in a previous post here. When it becomes apparent that they can do such workouts with ease then they are ready to advance to somewhat more challenging training in Base 3. 

Others like Endurance Nation, feel that Base training should jump in and initially focus on 95-100% of FTP for optimal results…guys like power training gurus, Allen and Coggan say that 88-94% of FTP is the Sweet Spot, before moving to 91-105%…and everyone has a different idea on how to establish the FTP ‘number’ that they’re basing everything on. 

…increasingly, the Short and Fast Base Season proponents have gained traction, and I’ve seen a clear trend in reading towards this approach…the fundamental logic is that closer to a race when you’re building volume, you can’t also properly build speed without wearing yourself out, and therefore probably never get in the quality speed work that you can when training volume is down…like the off-season…hard to go fast on tired legs. 

…and an obvious factor, is just in training time…Short and Fast just simply takes less time…like in the Endurance Nation model, 5-7 hours per week total…well of course, that’s with no swimming, and covered in another Post on why no swimming…and not a bad thing to think about, when In-season Ironman training routinely runs up to and beyond 15 hours in many weeks for most.

A New York Times article in 2007, refers to a number of studies that found that even short interval sessions had a big benefit in not just speed but endurance, and enhanced fat burning, citing a number of research studies that came to the same conclusion. 

Most recently, I was reading a series put out by Endurance Nation, called Rethinking the Off Season that agrees with this approach…and have a number of other ‘myth-busting’ ideas…they call it the OutSeason…click on the Free Resources link to sign up for the free seminar series…a worthy read.  Here’s an excerpt relating to speed: 

Timmy and Jimmy’s bodies are lazy, only adapting themselves to the work that our heroes ask of them.  

  • If Jimmy, stuck at 20mph, wants to hand it to Timmy, he needs to…RIDE FASTER! No amount of riding 20mph will ever magically create the ability to ride 22mph! Only by forcing his body to go faster, by doing more WORK, will he force it to adapt to this higher work load and become faster! 
  • If anyone tells you that you can get faster by riding longer…yes, you can, but the amount of time you need to spend riding long to turn long into fast is so ludicrously long they might as well be telling you to train on the moon. Run away.

I was lead to this by an article by Rich Strauss, Off-Season Principles for the Self-Coached Athlete, focusing on two principles: 

Off-Season Principle #1: Increased speed at shorter distances translates to increased speed at longer distances, assuming you add endurance to that speed at the appropriate time of the season.  For now, let’s drop the scientific terms–aerobic this, anaerobic that and lactate threshold something else. The simple fact is that if you make yourself faster at shorter distance, that speed is translated to increased speed at longer distances. This is a fancy way of saying fast equals fast, everywhere and at all distances. 

Off-Season Principle #2: Separate Speed from Distance: Build your speed at a time of year when you have no requirement to also increase your distance…in the off season. 

So very specifically from the Endurance Nation folks:  

Lesson #3: Build Fast, then Far
As you know, we preach that if you want to be faster you need to actually MAKE yourself faster. The most effective and time efficient manner to go faster is to spend time…going fast. However, as an Ironman athlete, we also need to build your ability to go Far. Our solution is separate the need to make you faster from the requirement to make you “farther,” by making you faster in our OutSeason, months and months away from your higher volume training. We train all of our athletes to be faster 5k runners in the OutSeason. Yep, I said it. Our Ironman athletes are training like 5k runners for 5mo per year. These athletes then apply this significantly increased running speed to PR’s at the half and full Ironman distance after they build Far on top of this Fast. Please review the testimonials of our athletes. 

Lots of discussion on this topic, so I’ll include notes on my reading over the week as I setup my annual plan to begin on January 3.

For me…

Over the next few weeks, with quite a bit of travel over the holidays, it’s going to be a bit disjointed, so therefore will probably stay short and fast on most bike and run workouts, and drills in the hotel pools. 

…and watching that eating and drinking portion control thing…trying to show up on Jan. 3 ready to go.

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New reason to swim faster

I just found a new and compelling reason to swim faster.

I was listening to an Endurance Nation webinar the other day while spinning off a few calories on the trainer…it was dealing with the pacing and power strategy on the bike portion of Ironman.

They were emphasising the importance of a tight discipline in the power range.  They were talking about choking back the tendency to come up on another rider, or group of riders, and then push the pace/power to pass them, just to have them pass you back and then repeat…the point being that every ‘surge’ is counterproductive and uses up energy unnecessarily…the best being a very even effort.

Geez….the part where the light bulb went on, is that since I’ve been so slow out of the water, and relatively fast on the bike, I’ve typically passed around 600 people during the bike portion…many times just rolling by, but more often than not, having to nudge the power to get past them in the 20 seconds allowed to stay out of the drafting zone…I’ve noticed it more later in the race, and even commented on the challenge…particularly as you come up to long tightly packed conga lines, or even ‘pelotons’ of racers that still seem to be too prevalent in IMFL.

Although it’s sort of a cool way to do the bike ride, it suddenly struck me that I’m probably using a _lot_ more energy than I would, if I finished my swim up closer to the middle of the field, and get up there with the faster cyclists coming out of the water, and didn’t need to pass as many on the bike….may not be a much ‘fun’ as riding people down all day, but would certainly be more efficient.

Thinking of the race leaders as they go by on the bike in the opposite direction, they’re just rolling along, perfectly spaced just outside the drafting zone of the bike in-front of them…no need to surge…no need to push past others…much easier to ride the perfectly paced ride.

The only weakness in a faster swim that I’m left with is the ‘service’ in the first transition…right now, by the time that I get there, the volunteers are all standing around looking for things to do…it’s like having a couple of butlers, helping you get dressed, holding your stuff, handing you the next item, bike pulled out far in advance…crowds cheering just for you…sort of cool. 

At a 1:15:00 swim, there are 100 racers a minute running into transition at that point…dang…that’s just _got_ to be crowded.

Hopefully I’ll be able to report on the difference in 2011 🙂

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How to swim faster

Alright.  I think that I’m done with ‘analysing’ the swim goal thing for the moment.  Coach Dinah and I spent an hour and change with the stopwatch to satisfy my ‘number craving’…I think that she bought a stopwatch specifically to keep me happy, and for that I’m grateful. :) 

Swim speed is a function of 2 things: how far you go each time that you stroke (SL- Stroke Length)…and how fast you can stroke (SR- Stroke Rate)…and in the case of an Ironman 2.4 mile swim, where the swim is followed by 112 miles on the bike, and 26.2 miles running, it should be accomplished with an ‘efficient’ level of effort, so that you don’t burn up tons of effort that you’ll need for a long day.

The trick is that the faster I stroke (SR), typically the distance that each stroke takes me (SL) is reduced…sometimes dramatically…by increasing drag from a faster speed, and a less efficient stroke that doesn’t propel me as far.

We also broke out the Tempo Trainer…this is a small device that you set to a specific stroke rate, put it under your swim cap, and it beeps, at the set time interval, like every 1.3 seconds…to help you keep at an exact stroke rate.  I was initially introduce to this by the ‘Stroke Doctor’, Total Immersion Master Coach, Gary Fahey.  I looked it up in my training log.  On April 5, 2009, I was struggling to maintain form at a stroke rate of 1.45 – 1.55.  By May 6, 2009, I was working it down to maintain form at 1.3 seconds, but not there yet…my log notes show that in a 50 meter pool, and ‘pushing’  a 1.3 stroke rate (SR) (like falling behind, an not able to maintain that pace), I took 2:25 for 100 Meters, so about 25-27 strokes per 25 yards.

Here’s how the ‘numbers’ shake out now.

The least number of strokes that it now takes me to swim 25 yards is 16…I’ve had a few days in the pool, where I can get to 15 or 14 (Aug. 4, 2010), but most days, not.  This isn’t really ‘swimming’ though…this is gliding and stretching for all I’m worth, and I often can’t get it down to 16…more usually 17 to 18.  ‘Swimming’, my stroke count rolls up to 18 or 19 or 20, and over 100 yards, if I don’t really watch form, or my stroke timing gets off, I can get up to 22-23 strokes for 25 yards.

Using the Tempo Trainer, set to 1.3, over a few 100 yard repeats in the 25 yard pool, with Coach Dinah on the stopwatch, I used 18-23 strokes/25 yards…losing form a bit at the end…and on the stopwatch, 1:50-1:55’ish for the 100 yards…now that includes 3 rather inelegant open turns at the walls which aren’t there in open water…and accounted for some variance between laps even though I was stroking at the 1.3 beep all the time…but since I’m typically swimming in 25 yard pools these days, the ‘number’.

My current ‘normalized’ speed for 100 yards without walls, therefore, I’d place at 20 strokes per 25 yards x 1.3 seconds = 26 seconds (20 strokes x 1.3 seconds) x 4 laps (for 100 yards) = 1:44/100 yards…the good news is that this is exactly my Ironman goal pace for the swim, which would put me under 1:15:00 for the swim.

So my remaining challenge is that the effort for me to swim at 20 strokes / 25 yards, for 100 yards, at a 1.3 second Stroke Rate is too high to be sustainable over 2.4 miles…the good news is that I can at least sustain that speed for at least 100 yards…but I really don’t want to just flog away at that pace and effort, and just build that up to a point where I could sustain it for 2.4 miles.

So to be that fast for 2.4 miles, with a form that doesn’t crack, at an effort that’s comfortable, I’ll need to be smoother to get the effort down, and therefore probably need that 100 yard stroke count to be closer to 18, than 20…consistently.  And by being smoother, and more balanced, I should be able to increase the Stroke Rate a bit, without going out of kilter, so for a round number 1.2 seconds instead of 1.3…running the numbers, this would give me a ‘normalized’ speed for 100 yards of 1:26, at least for shorter distances.

The best news I guess, is that based on log notes I _have_ improved over the last couple of years…actually quite a bit…thanks to my very patient coaches…and as I look at those numbers, I can only imagine the ‘challenge’ that Coach Gary saw before him when I first got in the pool a year and a half ago, and he saw those first few laps…geez

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Running speed: picking it up a bit

As part of a 40 minute run, I included a hilly 5K route that I have measured out by GPS from our local bar to home…okay, don’t ask, don’t tell…in 27 minutes…not all out, average 143HR, so mid Z3, and ‘steady’…HR higher going up hills (max 150HR, so more like Z4 HR), so will need to manage that better…considering that my target for the run was an easy side Z2 marathon pace, 9:30’ish/mile run, and this pace even with the hills was a 8:41 pace…well that was off by a bit…geez

It’s a challenge to run pace based, on a hilly route, so at least in the short term Heart Rate (HR) is probably better…of course, also better with practise…I haven’t really focused on pace _during_ a run much before.

So just for fun, I entered the 27:00 for a 5K in the Daniels calculator, and it gives me a vDOT of 35…so I’d have to say worse case scenario for a starting number…my E-Pace, a 11:17/mile, would give me a 4:55 Ironman Marathon potential according to the Endurance Nation folks…well, for one year away from Ironman Florida, I’d say not a bad starting point.

…oh, if that didn’t make any sense, check out my Post on:
https://irondaughterirondad.com/whats-it-take-for-a-43500-ironman-marathon/

Although I ran all the way, I was choking back the speed a bit on the downhills, to get my HR back where it should be…under 140HR would have been the goal…and my knee doesn’t really like faster downhills, so I’ll need to change that route on faster runs

…so maybe a minute faster I’d say in an all-out test on a flat course, so 26:00 would give me a 36 vDOT, or maybe even a 25:30, for a 37 vDOT, without 5 pounds of clothes in 37F weather, and 3 pounds of water on my hydration belt….considering that my initial goal is 25:00 for 5K (8:02/mile…seems fast when I say it that way, although I was easily there only a few years ago), and therefore a vDOT of 38, I can definitely see that I’m in range, and should be able to get there.

…my ultimate vDOT goal of 41, or a 23:30 5K, definitely is going to take some work…will be interesting to see whether the chassis supports the engine long enough to see it.

Alright then…enough with the numbers…for the moment anyway…suffice to say, as I get things ramped up, I can use a vDOT of 35 to establish run pace goals, until I actually test it, to stay on the conservative side.

Actual 5K run test is scheduled for the first week in January, unless I can find a 5K race in around the same time to give me a push.

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Bike: Indoor vs. Road

Getting a little brisk outside, so time to pull out the trainer…or 10 pounds of warm clothes to get out the door.  Along the way I’ve read that biking on an indoor trainer is more of a workout than on the road, primarily since there is no ‘glide’ time…and many therefore that ‘count’ an indoor ride as more than an ‘outdoor’ ride. 

In sitting on the trainer for 90 minutes for the first time in the off-season, I had the time to think about it.  As I watched my PowerTap, I couldn’t help but think that a watt is a watt is a watt…I’m in the same position as on the road…I’m just pedaling along…the PowerTap is recording my effort in watts…yes there’s no ‘glide’, but in a steady effort on the road, there’s no ‘glide’ either, so I couldn’t really figure out why it would be different…other than the ‘mental’ side of just sitting there spinning away.

I was left thinking that there may be a perceived difference if someone doesn’t have a power meter, since the speed being displayed can be variable depending on the tension on the wheel, and even the trainer itself and how it operates…and with no ‘glide’, a perception of more effort.  When I downloaded it, I did see that my PowerTap readout on the trainer is almost dead smooth, as compared to the road, where the power readings are a lot more jagged, so there _is_ some type of difference…wondered what it was. 

There are a lot of forums, and articles that give the trainer a higher benefit. Here’s one example from a SlowTwitch forum.

My search lead me to a good article at Carmichael Training, one of the big dogs in cycle training…Lance Armstrong’s coach, etc…and consistent with some other stuff that I read.

In this article by Renee Eastman, CTS Pro Coach, the long and the short of it is that a watt is a watt is a watt.  In part:

Many of my athletes comment that riding the trainer feels harder than riding on the road, and that watts seem harder to generate indoors. Rest assured, it’s not just your imagination.

One key difference between riding the trainer versus the road is how much more constant power production needs to be on the trainer. On the road, there are constant fluctuations in power due to changes in terrain, wind, speed, etc. These changes are expected and natural outdoors, so athletes take them in stride. But trainers offer constant resistance, so fluctuations in power output are almost entirely based on changes in the way the athlete is pedaling. This can be troublesome to athletes because it means nearly constant pedaling instead of the terrain-influenced pedaling style they have outdoors. Basically, in order to achieve your desired workload, you can’t coast or rely on hills to boost your output. Riding on the road is not inherently better; they are just different. I often find that riders who specialize in time trialing experience a smoother transition to riding the trainer because they are used to holding more constant power outputs than other riders.

And while I maintain the concept that a watt is a watt, how you generate the force to produce that watt is somewhat different on the trainer. You can certainly adapt to the slight differences in pedaling style required to maintain more constant power outputs on the trainer (i.e. pushing through the dead spot), it just takes time. Practice makes perfect. The more you ride the trainer, the better you will become at it. With my athletes I often see a wider variance between outdoor and indoor power outputs in the early fall. However, by the end of the winter season, those differences are much smaller.

So, should you have different power ranges indoors compared to outdoors? No. Going back to the concept that a watt is a watt, to be equivalent to your outdoor workouts, your indoor intervals need to be completed at the same power outputs.

We’ve examined a lot of differences between trainer and road workouts…The question can still be asked, are trainer workouts harder? The answer is maybe. There is no coasting. There are no descents or breaks unless you decide to stop pedaling. Indoors, however, you can probably achieve more pedaling time per hour, and thus higher average wattages, by eliminating those seconds spent coasting. This can result in higher total kilojoules of energy used per hour indoors. So you burn up a few more calories per hour while sweating out your workout indoors.

Does this mean you should reduce your workout time on the trainer? A 20% reduction in total workout time (but not interval times) used to be Chris Carmichael’s guideline, but more recently that’s been adjusted to account for different training styles… Most of us have to fit training around work, family, and the weather, so our training time is limited. For Time-Crunched cyclists and athletes riding fewer than about 8-10 hours a week, there’s no reason to reduce your workout times when you move them indoors. If you’re a high-volume trainer who needs to be more careful about balancing even small increases in workload with limited recovery time, then it’s important to monitor the total kilojoules accumulated during your trainer workouts. When you do this, you may find you can reach your kilojoule goal faster on the trainer compared to on the road.

The Bottom Line…

Sadly, it therefore appears, that for a particular workout, there is really no logical basis for taking a scheduled 2 hour bike ride, spending 90 minutes on the trainer and calling it all square.  If someone is not using a power meter, the preceived effort on the trainer is most likely higher, because of the constant effort, and no ‘glide’, but in actual fact, the amount of ‘work’ is the same, as if you used the same steady effort on the road…rats.

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What’s it take for a 4:35:00 Ironman Marathon

Ah, the marathon at the end of the Ironman…a 26.2 mile run, after a 2.4 mile swim and 112 mile bike ride…what a whacked idea that is to start off with…who can forget Julie Moss…nobody that watched her: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbWsQMabczM

Ooouch.  Tough to watch that one.

So to make my 8:00pm dinner reservation on Ironman Race Day, it looks to me that I’m going to need about a 4:35:00 run, or 10:30 per mile run pace…so let’s see what that will take, presuming that I’ve had a smooth swim, and solid bike ride right on race plan.

Of course, by the time that the run comes along, it’s already been a long day…and there are lots of variables that impact run performance.

Starting with Joe Friel in Going Long, he notes 2 rules of thumb:

  1. 40-90 sec. per mile slower than you’ve run in a half-ironman race
  2. within 20 minutes of your standalone marathon time

It’s been a while since I’ve done either.  My last standalone marathon was a 3:58 in December 2006…so rounding to 4 hours that would place my potential ‘then’ at 4:20:00.

The Endurance Nation (EN) folks, are a lot more specific…they base their stuff from the Jack Daniels book, Daniels’ Running Formula, and have extrapolated it to the Ironman marathon distance…Daniels always makes the point that the closer the test distance is to your race distance, the better a predictor it is, and that it presumes appropriate training for the race distance.

First step is to establish your vDOT level, by doing a race test over 5K at least…or 10K…or half-marathon…and enter into a calculator like this.

The EN folks then say that your potential in the Ironman marathon is the E-Pace based on that vDOT value…and they like the 5K test in particular because it’s easily repeatable without trashing your legs.

So for me, to have the potential to run a 4:37:30 Ironman marathon (10:35/mile pace) that would mean a vDOT value of at least 38, and therefore the following test race performance:

  • 5K in 25:00, 8:02/mile pace
  • 10K in 52:17, 8:24/mile pace
  • 1/2 marathon standalone in 1:55:55, 8:50/mile pace

As it turns out, my standalone marathons, put me at about a 39 vDOT then, most recently 2006…for shorter distances in the past, I’ve had it as high as 42, when my actual marathon time said it was a 38…Daniels would probably say that I didn’t prepare enough for the longer distance…I’d say, it’s probably more that I’m genetically skewed towards short and fast, rather than long.   In high school track, I was competitive at 400M, and uncompetitive at 800M, and totally out to lunch at 1 mile.

Final Thoughts

Using the EN approach, only because it has the benefit of a more precise idea…and assuming that it’s valid for the moment…as much as it looks like my vDOT may be there, or close even recently…based on how I’ve run in triathlons in the past, I’m thinking that I’m going to need a higher vDOT at the shorter distances than a 38 to get close to a 4:35 Ironman marathon potential. 

So it feels like a short distance vDOT of 41 to me, which would predict a 9:59/mile E-Pace for a 4:22:00 Ironman marathon…allows me leak a little oil, and still get to 4:35:00…also in line with Joe Friel’s idea of high end ‘potential’.

So looking at it now, a year away, my initial goals for shorter distance race tests would be:

  • 5K in 23:30, 7:33/mile pace
  • 10K in 49:01, 7:53/mile pace
  • 1/2 marathon standalone in 1:48:40, 8:17/mile pace

I’m also thinking I may need to lose a few pounds to ‘buy’ some extra speed to get there 🙂

…of course, this Post is an academic exercise to some extent…my knee ‘issue’ will dictate to a large degree how much run training I can absorb, so not likely to hit the ‘potential’ on the run…although without hitting the test ‘numbers’, no chance at all

…probably will still need a crushing bike ride to be sitting down with a martini at 8pm on race day

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